For years, I’ve struggled with a strange problem: eating in the morning makes me really tired. Tired as in I might just have to go back to sleep tired.
Version 1 goes like this: I wake up after my eight or so hours of sleep feeling okay but not as refreshed as a “normal” person. I drag myself out of bed, take my medicine and am awake and ready to start the day.
I eat something, ANYTHING, and WHAM, maybe 10 or 20 minutes later I AM IRRESTIBLY TIRED. I do my best to resist the sudden (and continuing) urge to return to bed, but I often lose the battle and go back to bed.
(Just to clarify, because if you tell someone about this they often will go on to ask: yes, ANYTHING includes a healthy breakfast like oatmeal with nuts. It also includes the “low carb” breakfast.)
Version 2 is a bit better, but still not great: I wake up and get ready but leave without eating anything. I eat breakfast or something wherever I am, and sometimes I feel about the same afterwards or only slightly tired. (For some reason, I sometimes can eat and be okay when I eat somewhere other than at home.)
However, other times I will feel very tired and if I’m in a situation where I am unable to take a short nap, I might struggle to stay awake, kind of half asleep and half awake. (I suspect that this second situation generally happens when I eat and then do a non-stimulating and sedentary activity, such listening to a lecture in school).
For years this half asleep, half awake version used to happen to me in 1st period classes, regardless of how much I used to struggle, and I never knew what was going on.
Unfortunately, my problem was so strange that it took me over 10 years to figure out that I even had it. I just never quite made the definite connection between the food and the sleepiness.
I suppose I must have thought I just had a problem with wanting to sleep shortly after getting up…
It was only in my last years of college that I finally realized what was going on. But I never understood why this happened to me – or how to stop it (other than skipping breakfast, which is hard when you wake up hungry).
Five or so years later, I still don’t understand it completely, but a few days ago I found an explanation while doing Internet research for this article.
It turns out, my experience is a documented medical phenomenon (!) – not for Narcoleptics – but for people in general.
I suspect that I may just be more sensitive to it than your average person because of Narcolepsy, although I still don’t understand why this happens to me in the morning.
My experience is called Postprandial somnolence, which is a fancy term for a state of drowsiness or fatigue following a meal.
Basically, postprandial somnolence has two components, both of which causes one to feel sleepy after a meal. First, there is a general state of low energy and a desire to be at rest related to the activation of one part of the nervous system (and decrease in activity of another part) in response to the arrival of food in the stomach and small intestine.
And second, there is the sleepiness “caused by hormonal and neurochemical changes related to the rate at which glucose enters the bloodstream and its downstream effects on amino acid transport in the central nervous system.” As Wikipedia explains, when you eat foods with a high Glycemic index, this ultimately results in increased brain serotonin and melatonin levels, which makes you feel sleepy.
What can you do if you want to stay awake but don’t want to starve yourself all day? Well, some of the research I found was a bit conflicted, but I’ll share with you what seemed to me the best answer.
Apparently, what is important when it comes to staying awake after a meal is not how much you eat but what you eat. Although eating almost anything can cause this sleepiness, the worst things to eat are simple carbs, food high in tryptophan, and high fat foods.
The nutritionist in the video above suggested eating foods high in tyrosine when you need to stay alert, with her ideal meal being a low to moderate amount of lean protein, a half cup of veggies, and a half cup of rice (to give some carbs to “keep the brain happy”).
I also read a few places that supposedly staying active after eating (as opposed to lounging on the couch) and drinking water can help to prevent this sleepiness, although there seems to be a lot of conflicting advice surrounding how to deal with this (for instance, some people say it matters how much you eat, others say the opposite).
Perhaps the staying active advice explains why sometimes I do okay when I do something stimulating immediately after eating.
Here are two excerpts from another source that had good advice:
“Two factors influence whether the brain perks up or slows down following a meal: the ratio of protein to carbohydrate, and the ratio of the amino acids tryptophan and tyrosine. High protein, low carbohydrate, high tyrosine foods that are likely to jumpstart the brain are seafood, soy, meat, eggs, and dairy. High carbohydrate, low protein, high tryptophan foods that are likely to relax the brain include: chocolate, pastries and desserts, bean burritos, nuts and seeds (e.g., almonds, filberts, sunflower and sesame seeds), and legumes.”
“Brain performance following a meal is also affected by the carbohydrates consumed with the protein. Carbohydrates stimulate the release of insulin, which helps more tryptophan to enter the brain where it makes more serotonin. The more simple sugars in the meal, the more serotonin is produced, and the more the brain is sedated. Complex carbohydrates - slower insulin-release sugars - on the other hand, will cause less drastic serotonin production. … So, to perk up the brain, eat a meal that is:
- High in tyrosine-containing proteins.
- Moderate in the amount of sugars, containing mainly complex carbohydrates.“
Although I still don’t understand why this happens to me mainly in the morning, I will have to try this advice and see if it works. I don’t know how much of this can be attributed to Narcolepsy, but perhaps I am just unusually sensitive to the changes in the body caused by food.
Considering how sensitive I am to food in the morning, I think I will have to try eating food with a very low Glycemic index or high in tryosine, while at the same time staying active and drinking water. I know I previously have tried eating a low carb breakfast without noticing any benefits, but I am going to try to reserve judgment and hope for the best.
What do you think? Do you get post-meal sleepiness, and if so, do you find that anything helps? I’m curious to see if this happens to many other Narcoleptics…
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Hi Ellie,
I came across your blog for the first time today, and wanted to thank you so much for writing about your experiences with narcolepsy.
I think I've been narcoleptic since I was 18, but wasn't officially diagnosed until I was about 26.
Provigil kept me in a fog of head & back aches, so I've been trying to control my symptoms in unconventional ways.
I learned early on that stress greatly increases my difficulty with cataplexy and hypnogogic hallucinations. Once I quit teaching to stay home with my kids, those symptoms became greatly reduced.
Last year, I came across an online reference to gluten sensitivity and narcoleptics. I decided to try a gluten-free diet six months ago. Since going gluten-free, I have been able to stay completely off the Provigil. (I can tell if I have eaten something with gluten, because I have a very sudden onset of sleepiness.) So, although I used to have post-meal sleepiness, that is not often a problem now.
Thanks again for sharing!
Shayne
I had the problem of falling dead asleep after every meal for years, and turned out to have Celiac disease- basically gluten really screws me up. I found out about Celiac's before being diagnosed with narcolepsy, and since going on the gluten-free diet my narcolepsy, aside from my general health, has been better. I still get drowsy after meals but it isn't nearly as bad as it was, pretty much the same as what Shayne said. I know from experience that food sensitivities can definitely make narcolepsy symptoms worse. You might keep an eye out for specific foods that make you drowsy- and maybe avoiding them in the future could help.
Food intolerance is not understood well and you may find that is the real ause of your Narcolepsy being overwhelming to need medication.
Symptom of food intolerance ( that includes additives and chemicals ) is sleepiness. What Wolfie said about avoiding them in future is better then the elimination diet approach.
Food combination is a factor too. One real good sign that you are intolerant to a food is your desire for it. When we eat something that our bodies is intolerant too we really get a kick out of the way our body reacts to it.
Kind of like a drug high as our bodies stimulate the defence system to fight it. You really can get off on that. Food is for nutrition not for fun or to feel good.
The body can retain up to 8 litres of fluid to dilute what you are eating. If it can't purge it then diluting is another way to deal with it.
So if you are carrying lots of fluid or being overweight you are puffy or spongy rather then solid you maybe eating the wrong foods.
Takes about 5 days to begin to free the body of intolerances and about ten to be free completely of any one problem.
No one really can do it 100% but you can get close. Meat has so many drugs in it and it goes on with other foods. If you really want to be drug free you have to go back to how they ate before refridgeration.
Everything or most things are treated otherwise its shelf life would be 24 hours.
Hi,
Great post!
In one of many mistaken diagnoses, a doctor told me that he thought I had "Reactive Hypoglycemia", and that basically I should avoid sugar (especially processed sugar, i.e. junk food..).
I know exactly what you're talking about not only with the breakfast-sleepiness, but also the more general post-meal sleepiness.
If I eat junk food in general, I'll get tired soon after. But, if I eat junk food (or a large meal) on an empty stomach - forget it! I'll be a total mess and will definitely pass out.
Only other thing I'd add is that Narcolepsy is clearly not a perfectly understood condition, and there are many, many overlapping and correlated issues. You need to experiment with dietary changes, habitual changes, and also medical changes/dosage alterations (of course with your doctor's supervision on all 3).
Thanks for the comments about food intolerences! At the moment my diet is already pretty restricted because I am on this migraine diet thing (which doesn't allow a lot of stuff), but I will have to think about looking for intolerances. I have tried before to go gluten free for a few days and never noticed much of a difference, although i think i may have a gluten sensitivity issue, as opposed to celiac. i'm not sure.
the comment about eating like in the old days is also a good point; so much is done to our food these days, it's amazing how many chemicals are in our food!
I have this problem very, very badly -- not just with breakfast, but with food in general. I've tried all sorts of things, personally -- eating smaller amounts more frequently, experimenting with excluding certain stuff, so on. Doesn't seem to matter what or when or how much I eat, I will be on the verge of immediately passing out afterward (and sometimes with muscle weakness or twitching, too).
To be clear, I'm not diagnosed with anything yet; might be narcolepsy, might be something else, and I'm seeing a sleep doc to look into primary sleep disorders but haven't had any test come back positive for anything yet. Still, thought I'd point out that if current thinking is correct -- that hypocretin is hugely involved in narcolepsy, especially with cataplexy -- it's worth noting that hypocretin is also called orexin, and is also involved in appetite and feeding behavior.
Point being, sleep and eating are almost certainly chemically linked in the brain, so I'd not be surprised if narcoleptics often feel effects from food. Everybody does tend to get a little sleepy after eating anyway, but the severity is pretty incredible, in my experience.
Ellie,
You've struck a chord! I'm also a narcoleptic writer. I've had narcolepsy and cataplexy since my earliest memories. When I was young, sleep science was in its infancy. No diagnosis was possible. In fact, nobody that I knew had heard of sleep science. Besides, my disability didn't always present itself as a "sleep disorder," and to this day, I don't think of it that way.
We lived in an area with many excellent medical facilities. Yet probably none had a sleep center. When I was 28, I finally received a diagnosis of narcolepsy and cataplexy. A second diagnosis at 40 confirmed the earlier one. After both diagnoses, doctors tried me on several medications. None of these medications worked well. Instead, all worsened my symptoms and added new problems.
I decided to give up the snake oil and strike out on my own. Over the years, I carefully assembled a new means of coping: A diet and exercise program that removes irritations to my biorhythms. This program also shifts and regulates my bio phases. The program syncs my personal rhythms with those of the general society. I have what amounts to an artificial circadian clock.
Many others have succeeded with similar programs. On the Web, I've found links to both anecdotal evidence and medical research. Both support what I'm doing. Because of these links, I know that I'm on the right track. Better yet, my method works!
You've also found connections between narcolepsy and jet lag, diet, and exercise. Congratulations. For more about my system, see... www.wakeupdiet.com
OH MY GOSH! I LOVE you guys. I love hearing from other people with Narcolepsy. I've had Narcolepsy at least since my college days, at about 19 or 20. I wasn't diagnoised until I was about 27, and I'm now 31. Mostly my Excessive Daytime Sleepiness was in the afternoon (after lunch) or evenings (basically after dinner). My mom kept telling me that I needed more protein, until the sleep study proved I had a medical condition. (I'm not a vegitarian, but I'm certainly not a meat lover.)
Anyway, just in the last 3 months or so, I've been having a terrible time in the mornings. Terrible, terrible, terrible. And an awful, awful, awful time at work in the mornings. I found if I did something a bit more physical (like filing) it seemed to help. I've tried gum, hard candy, music, coffee - but nothing seems to work. Lately I've been trying my mom's more protein advice.
And don't get me started on weekends. If I don't have somewhere I have to be in the morning or early afternoon, my whole day is shot. I try to keep to the schedule and wake up early. But I always go back to sleep after breakfast. If I don't have anywhere to be for the whole day, then I pretty much sleep and eat all day.
Anyway, I didn't understand why this whole morning thing is happening to me. I take my Rx an hour before I need to start moving, I usually take a shower in the morning, I try to eat healthy breakfasts.
You guys make me feel so normal, so okay, so not a freak! (Well maybe I'm still a bit off my rocker - LOL!)
Thanks for sharing everyone. Thanks Ellie for starting and keeping with this blog!
Sincerely,
Danielle
dmstorrs2@yahoo.com
Danielle,
I'm glad that you are enjoying my blog and that my article was helpful for you. Personally, if I had to be somewhere and needed to be absolutely 100% no doubt about it awake then I would not eat breakfast at all. I also find - and this is weird - but if I had to go to work it would be better for me if I didn't eat anything until after I got there. I haven't found the whole protein thing to help much - maybe better than cereal or something with carbs but it doesn't get rid of the problem. My body just seems to work differently in the morning, beyond the whole food thing. for instance, I find I don't have the energy to work out in the morning - my cataplexy acts up when I do.
Also, if you're at work, something I used to try was sniffing a few drops of peppermint oil on a kleenex for a (very short term) alertness fix. I used to think that it helped me stay awake in class and such, but I haven't tried it in awhile.
I realize this might be a wee bit of an older post but when searching for "pass out after eating" it came up via google. I simply cannot eat anything anymore without passing out. It isn't a "oh I'm so tired", it's quite literally passing out. Most times I manage to at least make it to the sofa. If I didn't, I'd be on the floor. It doesnt seem to matter what I eat. Last night for example, I made veggie burgers/stick type things (wierd I know but they're very yummy) with a filler of rice and a little breadcrumb the other bulk of it is mashed up lima beans, ate that with tomato and avacodo using a large leaf of iceberg lettuce as a wrap. I dont even remember when I went and laid down. I woke up at 2AM. I think it was around 6-7 PM when I passed out. The only real common denominator that I have found for me at least is salt. I was naughty and used a pre-seasoned rice mix as the filler and that had salt in it. Im planning to do some reasearch myself to see if salt might be part of the problem for me. I am lactose intolerant but that hasn't ever resulted in passing out. It just makes me get all bloaty and uncomfy.
I'm still trying to figure out what the heck my problem is. It hasn't always been this way and has certainly been aggravated and made it worse with the beginning of premenopause.
Thanks for your post!
Deenakwennig,
I'm sorry, I don't know what your problem could be. I assume that you are seeing a doctor/ doctors about this? It sounds like it could be serious. Just off the top of my head, it does sound like it could be food allergies or a stomach problem... or it could be something else entirely. I don't know, maybe even a blood sugar thing? Like I said, I really have no idea, but it sounds like a question to ask the doctors in addition to the internet.
Also, I suppose you've probably already done this, but if it was me I would try a few variations of your search on the internet: for example, "fainting eating", "passing out food", food allergies exhaustion, food allergies passing out... perhaps you might find something like that.
good luck!
Interesting blog. I have had problems waking up and being drowsy as long as I can remember. Years ago, when I first tried the Atkins diet to lose weight, I was amazed at how my alertness level increased. Since then I have tested positive for the narcolepsy gene dbq1*0602, and have spent a good deal of time researching narcolepsy. I think it is highly likely that the carbohydrate content of a meal is what creates much of the sleepiness, and although it is hard to follow, when I can stay low carb my alertness, esp. morning alertness, is much better. You mention here on your blog that research shows orexin is blocked by insulin (or glucose, can't remember which). That's the basic mechanism right there. I used to get up on a Saturday, eat pancakes or whatever, and go right back to sleep. If I eat cookies at night, it's guaranteed I will oversleep and be late to work the next day. I have a number of linked articles at my blog- redtailblogger.blogspot.com. I also found a lady with a blog on narcolepsy, called "the kitchen table hypothesis", who arrived at many of the same conclusions I did. The comment above about veggie burgers, rice and breadcrumbs made me sleepy just reading it! Bread makes me the sleepiest, I think. I try to keep a journal of what I eat and how I feel the next day.
Oh My GOD!!!!
I've been passing out after each and every meal for such a long time. Anything I eat will get me down in the next 10-20 mns.
As I snore, I was pretty convinced that I have sleep apnoea, until the doctor told me last week that my sleeping exam results show that I have not sleep apnoea.
Now I need to see another doctor for a narcolepsy test. I'm taking food intolerance tests as well because I couldn't understand that urge for sleeping after eating.
I'm waiting for my food intolerance results. I think they are the key thing to look into as narcolpesy might just be a consequence of food intolerance.
The funny thing is that my brother is suffering from exactly the same thing.....
I am amazed and comforted to know that there are others suffering from the same thing I am! I have been under the impression that I have reactive hypoglycemia, insulin resistance or maybe Celiac/Gluten intolerance, as it's worsened by breads and carbs.
It is sheer torture trying to function when in this state of sleepiness/muscle weakness/fatigue! And people think you're nuts. My eyes want to roll back and my arms become so weak I can't even button my shirt during one of these "attacks".
When I went on Dr. Furhman's "Eat to Live" cleanse (mostly fruit/veg/beans/limited grains)
I noticed a major decrease in symptoms.
For over ten years I've literally lived on smoothies and fruit/yogurt during the day because it's the only thing that doesn't make me crash or fall asleep after eating.
I am a vegetarian, so it's hard because I can't alter my diet much (i.e., adding meat and eating less legumes, which crash me badly).
Anyway, I'm sooo grateful to have found this site and to meet others suffering from the same thing!
OMG! I thought I was the only one. I just ate 2 slices of peperoni pizza and a can of Coke. Its been 10 mins. I just kicked my feet up on the computer table, and they felt like they weighed 300lbs each. I am noticing my neck is getting tired, time to lean back a bit more to touch the headrest. My eyes feel a bit "sticky" and I am starting to see "floaters in the eye". Brain fog is setting in. lol, Same stuff, different day. The thing is, I will be on the computer for awhile, because I doubt I even have the energy to get out of this position and plop myself on the bed. I crave, and I mean CRAVE red sauces. But thanks for the post and the info!
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